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EPA blasted for requiring oil refiners to add type of fuel that's merely hypothetical

Fox News -- Federal regulations can be maddening, but none more so than a current one that demands oil refiners use millions of gallons of a substance, cellulosic ethanol, that does not exist.

"As ludicrous as that sounds, it's fact," says Charles Drevna, who represents refiners. "If it weren't so frustrating and infuriating, it would be comical."

And Tom Pyle of the Institute of Energy Research says, "the cellulosic biofuel program is the embodiment of government gone wild."

Refiners are at their wit's end because the government set out requirements to blend cellulosic ethanol back in 2005, assuming that someone would make it. Seven years later, no one has.

"None, not one drop of cellulosic ethanol has been produced commercially. It's a phantom fuel," says Pyle. "It doesn't exist in the market pl

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E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,012 Points:819,060 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Aug 15, 2012 3:08:54 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse The EPA continues to insist on fining refiners for failure to add cellulosic ethanol to gasoline, despite the fact that no cellulosic ethanol is available. The API has now filed a second action against the EPA over this issue. Second suit
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,012 Points:819,060 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 4:01:23 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse rjhenn claims: "Interesting that these requirements that so many are moaning about were set out by Congress in 2005 (the Energy Policy Act of 2005). Who was in charge then? Oh, wait, that was the Republicans!" The real story here, in case you might have missed it, is about "practical", not political. Back in 2005, when the policy was first considered, no cellulosic ethanol was being produced, although the technology to do it goes back to the era of WWI, and German technology. In 2005, the DOE acknowledged that research was necessary in order to make cellulosic ethanol "practical". Today, while the same technology is still available, it costs roughly twice as much to make a gallon of ethanol from cellulose, rather than corn, which is why there is no commercially available cellulosic ethanol available. Recognizing that despite efforts to subsidize research to make cellulosic ethanol practical, it still remains too expensive by a factor of 2, the EPA has twice reduced the cellulosic mandate. Since the ethanol STILL isn't available yet, it really needs to reduce the requirement and fine to zero until it is. Fining fuel producers for failing to add an unavailable component just raises our fuel cost unnecessarily. Don`t we already pay enough for a gallon of fuel?
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,434 Points:2,228,950 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 11:50:35 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse Interesting that these requirements that so many are moaning about were set out by Congress in 2005 (the Energy Policy Act of 2005). Who was in charge then? Oh, wait, that was the Republicans!
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,012 Points:819,060 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 6:44:59 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse SandeeC asks a reasonable question: "Why is it that whenever something to do with gas and/or oil is involved that governments, companies, industries, etc. etc. that the cart is always put before the horse?" Because the policy to require cellulosic ethanol was conceived to meet a politcal, rather than a practical agenda, AND, the bill was drafted by ethanol interests.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:2,998 Points:597,735 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 4:43:29 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,987 Points:2,344,535 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:48:48 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse If cellulosic ethanol is not being produced and it is required, then it can't be added. So what's the problem? Don't worry, Be happy! Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe and reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,227 Points:610,070 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:38:55 AM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse wow
KrsnaDragon Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,402 Points:530,325 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:12:34 AM Ignore KrsnaDragon Report Abuse Old 'news'.
nomad228 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,117 Points:575,140 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:41:01 PM Ignore nomad228 Report Abuse epa trying to shut down coal mines that produce 14 percent of americas electrical power while laying off 9000 power company workers and that does not include the 14 mines they are trying to shut down in west by god virginny.stupid epa killing america while driving up power cost exponentially.if the mines do not get this scrub their coal. : ) pure genius add costs to coal production so coal power costs ared riven up even if they comply witht he epa.this is almost as laughable as making companies produce less carbon dioxide,while all plant life on the planet needs it to produce air/oxygen which humans need to live,not to mention the plant life we eat and also our livestock consumes that we eat.just shows the pure genius of the epa.i wish someone would audit the epa and see if they are even following these asinine rules they are trying to make others follow.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,847 Points:1,612,025 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:37:41 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse Too bad ethanol of any sort has not become a “phantom fuel.” Better off without it.
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,256 Points:586,960 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:27:33 PM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse Interesting.....
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,980 Points:2,525,360 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:26:57 PM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse BS
KhelbenArunson Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,441 Points:716,890 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:26:19 PM Ignore KhelbenArunson Report Abuse well it sounds like someone needs to fix that regulation then.
eightiesgod Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,375 Points:1,231,885 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:25:42 PM Ignore eightiesgod Report Abuse old
SaturnSC Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,051 Points:831,725 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:24:43 PM Ignore SaturnSC Report Abuse Blast em
kusanagisama All-Star Author Texas Posts:708 Points:191,525 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:23:52 PM Ignore kusanagisama Report Abuse Ok.
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,256 Points:586,960 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:21:41 PM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse Interesting......
CDMAuto Champion Author Connecticut Posts:3,788 Points:752,940 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:19:33 PM Ignore CDMAuto Report Abuse ARE WE REALLY FREE? EPA dose not think so......
unclemattie Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:289 Points:458,405 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:18:07 PM Ignore unclemattie Report Abuse "Man is not free unless government is limited." - Ronald Reagan
KnoxGasPriceSpy Champion Author Knoxville Posts:140,847 Points:919,620 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:17:53 PM Ignore KnoxGasPriceSpy Report Abuse omg is right and he can take the EPA with him...
jrschl Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,962 Points:680,090 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:16:10 PM Ignore jrschl Report Abuse They should be. Chu must be calling all of the shots now...
thuathienhue Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,448 Points:632,590 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:14:50 PM Ignore thuathienhue Report Abuse EPA is going to far. Remember to vote in the next election for a change for the better.
dancygreen Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,063 Points:484,885 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:13:38 PM Ignore dancygreen Report Abuse omg
vibdata Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,085 Points:848,325 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:11:26 PM Ignore vibdata Report Abuse The EPA is one of the worst examples of its kind. It's the last place you'd expect to find any intelligence trying to protect anyone's environment.
monarch57 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,626 Points:135,595 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:10:33 PM Ignore monarch57 Report Abuse We don't need any more crap in gas.
tatker Champion Author Asheville Posts:1,960 Points:558,855 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:10:22 PM Ignore tatker Report Abuse EPA smells like beef and cheese
rawdog1313 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,294 Points:1,641,830 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:10:06 PM Ignore rawdog1313 Report Abuse I don't believe anything from Faux News!
TheeRedRam Champion Author Hartford Posts:3,158 Points:671,660 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:07:00 PM Ignore TheeRedRam Report Abuse Hummmmm
TFowler513 Champion Author Memphis Posts:3,824 Points:1,412,985 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:07:00 PM Ignore TFowler513 Report Abuse It would all be a moot issue if we all would start to exploit all alternatives available.
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,687 Points:537,070 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:06:45 PM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse More stupidity!
Jumpmaster82 All-Star Author South Carolina Posts:920 Points:849,230 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:01:41 PM Ignore Jumpmaster82 Report Abuse EPA should go away... with obama
menagerie1013 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,365 Points:688,365 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:01:33 PM Ignore menagerie1013 Report Abuse Typical governmental FUBAR.
hank1326 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:8,909 Points:1,732,835 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:00:01 PM Ignore hank1326 Report Abuse Too much government, too little common sense.
1brendle Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:1,789 Points:133,675 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:59:45 PM Ignore 1brendle Report Abuse surprise, surprise
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,265 Points:2,265,640 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:58:34 PM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse sounds like ridiculous government interference
billwho All-Star Author El Paso Posts:518 Points:251,995 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:58:14 PM Ignore billwho Report Abuse Outstanding work by another government agency. I know how to produce it, but I have been calling it "mung".
ItsMorph Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:33,427 Points:3,185,180 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:56:26 PM Ignore ItsMorph Report Abuse FINALLY, something to blame Bush for!
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,620 Points:3,494,705 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:53:48 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse Bush didn't get everything right either. The EPA is very overbearing and is a heavy weight on the economy.
WRX1 Champion Author Providence Posts:9,875 Points:1,251,540 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:52:29 PM Ignore WRX1 Report Abuse Hard to believe that FoxNews left out one little detail: The EPA is just trying to follow the rule in an act signed into law by George W. Bush, the 2005 Energy Policy Act (H.R. 6). You can look it up.
sit Champion Author Cleveland Posts:5,200 Points:1,931,970 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:51:30 PM Ignore sit Report Abuse ok
scubadaniel Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,416 Points:691,095 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:50:05 PM Ignore scubadaniel Report Abuse EPA... Today's communist trying to destroy capitalism
5kvdave All-Star Author Los Angeles Posts:688 Points:350,000 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:48:45 PM Ignore 5kvdave Report Abuse EPA SUCKS!!!!
btex49 Champion Author Austin Posts:2,715 Points:530,105 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:46:08 PM Ignore btex49 Report Abuse Get government micromanagement out of our lives!
mgune9 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:914 Points:200,395 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:40:32 PM Ignore mgune9 Report Abuse EPA is fast becoming a big and costly political joke
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:2,546 Points:1,686,615 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:40:30 PM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse And some bureaucrat wanted to crucify Oil Company Officials. Let the one who i8s withgout brains make the rules ;-}
jpgilmor Champion Author Houston Posts:2,160 Points:602,975 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:35:19 PM Ignore jpgilmor Report Abuse Interedting
trytogetby All-Star Author Cincinnati Posts:864 Points:214,000 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:33:59 PM Ignore trytogetby Report Abuse Where are the physical people that make up the EPA. They need to have a mental test of the abilities .
MDTDriver Champion Author California Posts:9,724 Points:2,154,645 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:30:57 PM Ignore MDTDriver Report Abuse MONEY MONE and on.
boatmen Champion Author New York Posts:3,080 Points:622,580 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:26:00 PM Ignore boatmen Report Abuse EPA needs to be shut down
DrLyon Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,645 Points:1,211,005 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:21:58 PM Ignore DrLyon Report Abuse Rethink...